August 10 2006
Dahij Institute, Tempe:
Upon finally arriving home from his trip to Jerusalem and Bruit, Poffrono sat down with his wicked pen and wrote a letter to the Council on American-Islamic Relations regarding their demand that Washington restrain Israel. It read as follows:
Although I appreciate your interest in halting the destruction of Lebanon, I must take issue with your "Not in America's Name" petition.
Imagine that a renegade Mexican militant group procured 12,000 rockets and began firing them into U.S. neighborhoods. Do you think for a second that we would tolerate such nonsense? If such an attack occurred Bush would immediately order a severe counter strike that would not stop until the threat was wiped out completely. A cease fire with such a group would be entirely out of the question. President Bush is being a hypocrite by pressuring Israel to accept a cease fire or “hudna” if you prefer.
I doubt that you good people would support a cease fire with some Mexican Catholic Fascists who fire rockets into your neighborhoods. I find it likely that you ascribe different standards for Israel and America. Mayhap you believe that Israel possesses a lesser right to exist.
I am not a Jew and I believe that perhaps the world would be better off if Israel had not been instituted by the U.N. in 1948. Today however, 58 years later, Israel does exist and posseses an inalienable right to continue existing. Jews are human beings of immeasurable substance just like you kind folks. If fanatics continue insisting on the destruction of Israel then war is inevitable. If war is inevitable (and it appears so) Israel is wise to smash her enemies now while they are still the weaker party. Think of how tranquil the world would be if all Islamic states were wiped from the map?
We at the Dahij Institute are not advocating war with Islam. We do however declare war on everyone who supports Jihad. We hold strongly that Islamic states should not exist. Likewise, we don’t condone the establishment of Christian or Jewish states. Israel is not a Jewish state. They are a democracy and the government does not persecute and kill people for practicing other faiths. Not so with any Islamic state. The problem is with fundamental interpretation of Islamic Script. Islamic text does promote the establishment of an Islamic state whenever possible. Our hope is that moderate interpretations will prevail. Our great hope is that the Clerics who espouse hatred from the mosques in Riyadh tone down their rhetoric voluntarily. In the meantime Israel has not only the right but also the obligation to wipe out fundamentalist whack jobs and all of those who dare stand in her way.
Sincerely,
Poffrono
Dahij Institute
13 comments:
Israel's illegal/immoral occupation is the major reason for the violence - Israel needs to return to their pre-1967 borders, only then (if attacked) would they be the "victim" - now they are the provocateur. 22 Arab countries offered Israel peace and fully-normalized relations just for obeying the international law they are flagrantly violating and doing this simple act - but they flatly refused. America is responsible for emboldening (Israel keeps expanding illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank - a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, international law, and Bush's "Road Map") and enabling Israel's theft of Arab/Palestinian land, which is the major reason we are hated. Israel should be forced to return to their pre-1967 borders or lose all American aid - moral and financial. In return, we would defend Israel if attacked at these borders. This would be a very fair deal for all involved, would greatly reduce or eliminate "terrorism" in Israel, while leaving both Israel and the U.S. safer and more secure - and the region more peaceful, of course.
So who started the war in 1967? And who got their fannies kicked? Land for peace has been tried. Israel made major concessions with very little compensation. Treaties don’t work with the likes of Iran and Syria who are cowardly and dastardly. They start proxy wars by funding fanatics who carry on the dirty work they are too cowardly to undertake themselves. Remove Hezbollah; remove Iran, Syria, Hamas and the fanatic clerics in Saudi. Do those things and there will be no bombs dropping in Lebanon or rockets fired into Israel.
Israel had the 1967 war (of territorial aggression/conquest) pre-planned and just looked for an excuse to launch their pre-emptive attck (just like the current war in Lebanon was planned a year ago). Not true - once Israel returned the ill-begotten Sinai, peace followed with Egypt and persists to this day. Israel was offered peace fully-normalized relations for returning to their pre-1967 borders which they flatly - and foolishly refused. The occupation makes Israel less secure, while ending it would remove the justifiable complaint and reason for hating Israel, it would isolate countries still wanting to fight Israel, and would hurt the recruitment of extremists. Returning the Golan Heights to Syria would end their reason for wanting to battle Israel - and Iran
wants more prominence in the region. Israel's latest miscalculation only strenghtened Hezbollah and their supporters - while making Iran less likely to
give up their nuclear program. Hamas and Hezbollah are symptoms of the root cause of the conflict - and that root cause is Israel's ongoing illegal/immoral occupation. Speaking of cowardly/dastardly - what do you call Israel's plotting of the Lavon Affair, their terrorist attack on the USS Liberty, spying on us, selling our secret weapons technology to Russia/China, and their still unexplained presence of over 100 Israeli agents and Mossad here on 911 - 2 among the infamous "5 Laughing Israelis" filming the terror attacks on the WTC, while laughing and celebrating the demise of 3,000 Americans?
I was in Nam in 1967, very much interested in what was happening in the Mideast. You weren't even born yet Greg.
As the Arab nations amassed their armies along the borders with Israel, threatening to run the Jews out of Israel, which at that time they didn't recognize, the Iraelis struck first. Hardly looking for a reason I would say, as the reasons were sitting along their border threatening to kill them all.
Yes, the Arabs finally struck a peace deal with Israel, but not guite like you state it. It was tough and ardous, and cost many lives before it came about, including that of Anwar Sadat by RADICAL Islamic groups did NOT want peace at any cost that are still in play today. The same ones who would kill their own before allowing ANY peaceful settlement with Israel. Every time peace talks take place, their actions become more violent. It has happened time and time again, and you are either too stupid, too gullible, or to hateful towards the Jewish race to even admit that terrorism is the biggest cause of mideast turmoil today.
Iran and Syria use Hezbollah. Hezbollah has attacked not only Israel, but also the US, France, and other countries and is one of the most successful of Islamic radical hate groups there is. If the Lebanese don't want their people killed, then they need to get rid of Hezbollah. Any organization that hides among the civilians is not only immoral, but that also makes their goals unjustifiable as well.
You, on the other hand, will only be pleased when all Jews are dead and gone, no matter what the cost to innocent people worldwide.
Are there radical Jewish groups as well? Sure there are. Should they also be considered as terror groups? Yes, they should and ARE considered so by the US. That does NOT include the Israeli Gov't though, nor should it.
Tit for tat, Greg. Let the Palestinians chose whether they want war or peaceful negotiatons, not Iran, Syria or Hezbollah. Polls of the Palestinian people tell the true story here. They choose peaceful negotiations, and do NOT for the majority support armed struggle. It was working too, until Hamas and Hezbollah, along with the button pushing Iran decided to kill the peace road map. After all, peace with the Jews would not be in their best interest politically.
Grow up little boy, and learn the truth about life. It isn't like your liberal bleeding heart thinks it is.
Whose Greg?
It seems that there is no answer to these questions of who is right and who is wrong. I agree with Poffrono that the United States should not restrain anyone. But is war ever the answer? Pointing fingers only intensifies the emotions that surround these ageless conflicts. We, the United States, have an obligation to try and mediate a peace in the middle east (or at least we at one time had this obligation) not because of our "super power" position but because of the moral authority we gained in the world after WWII. Since then our various governments have squandered this moral position. This moral authority came about when FDR was careful in the way we entered the conflict of WWII. The moral rectitude this engendered lasted for close to 60 years. We can regain this moral position in the eyes of the world by honestly mediating the differences between Israel and Hezbollah. Mediation can occur, even with Hezbollah, if this task is approached with honesty and a degree of humility honoring both sides of the conflict. We cannot take sides in this issue, the lives of too many people are at stake.
Well put Doug. The only problem with your solution is that these fanatics view the world so much differently than you do.
They want you dead.
It's hard to negotiate peace when one side ultimately demands the genocide of another. You and I Doug are infidels. We don't keep our women under lock and key. I suspect you don't pray five times a day facing Mecca. Believe me, you and I are infidels and worthy of execution. They've already executed 3,000 of us!
You speak the truth Doug and rather eloquently I might add. It doesn't matter that you are right. These fanatics are caught up in a religious fervor that acts as a filter on their brains. I'm no psychologist but I suspect people ascribe their personal moral ground to others. People who are trusting are generally trustworthy for example. My fear is Doug is that you assume the terrorists occupy moral ground similar to your own. To assume otherwise would be against your values. True Islamo-fascists are people of innate immeasurable substance just like you and me. The moral ground they occupy however is nowhere near yours. Their values are alien to us. Consequently I feel that your proposal, though noble and easily justified, is entirely impractical.
lilly said...
Who can take exception with anything said by the above entries?
All positions make sense when viewed about others through our personal internal lense.
We are not talking about political stances here, but instead about internal philosophical, psychological, national, and religious identities in fast motion. We are speaking about people, like the rest of us, with passionate ideology and belief. To be born into a gendered, racial, cultural, political, religious, socio-economic identity is to be born riddled with angst. It is easy to point the finger and come to easy and quick solutions when one views the ideology of others from their own primary identifications, whether cultural, physical, mental,emotional, or spiritual perspcetives and beliefs. We Americans are entrenched in a heroic mentality. We as a nation view ourselves as the "moral leadership" of the world as Doug mentioned. This image is in shift within ourselves and the world. Our leaders, elected by ourselves, cannot "blast-away" a problem that has been in existence for generations. Difficulties. whether internal or external are not
solved with the quick blast, as is mold when you hit it with clorex.
So. whether the conflict is personal, interpersonal, national, or international, the same principal applies. It takes time, a goal toward synthesis, and a willingness to see all sides before negotiation can have an outcome that benefits all parties involved. In my opinion, is is
wise to begin on ones own ground. It is most productive to first focus on internal changes because that is where we have the most information, understanding and control. Bush has moved recklessly and fervently since 9/11. Terriorism against the United States has been used as a jumping post for him to claim his right to might. I have lived a long time, yet have never seen a president demonstrate this degree of rightous authority. We have our focus on "the outer enemy" and I sometimes think that is a shield, "defense mechanism" against the idea that the primary enemy may be within our midst, within ourselves. I am not claiming that this is a particular person, no one individual has that much power, but it is instead qualities undeveloped. We cannot lead our nation or others with rightous authoritarinism under the guise of democracy. As we all know, habits of consumption push our drives for economic power. Treetown makes a point in stating that economic dependence is a hindrence to unbiased guidance. I must also add that interdependence also creates a strong motivation toward problem solving, negotiation and allegience. As the world becomes more interdependent, as it most certainly is, motivation toward cooperation may become stronger between nations. At any rate, how about some internal work? While Bush has concentrated on the external blast, he has left our own nation unprotected. Why spend our $$$$$$$ killing the children of others when we could redistribute it and protect our own. I want this war money to go toward internal defense rather than external offense. Maybe a rational peace among nations cannot be negotiated in this generation, but why not make the effort as we also protect ourselves and spread, yes, that nasty word "new thought" or creative possibility? yes, as you might have guessed, I am a bleeding heart psychologist and I do believe that change is possible possible. I see it every day. The most important thing I've come to understand is that their must be a "willingness" on both sides of any conflict to come to resolution. It is time for the United States to become that voice in the middle, the sincere negotiating presence in the world, so that we can once again earn position through respect.
While I have neither the time nor the background to form a lengthy response, I can say that poffrono has made some excellent counters. As a super power, we have a duty to maintain world order. The correct and responsible action is to say no, that behavior is not acceptable. Where did the I'm okay, you're okay mentality get us in terms of our own growth as a nation? Not everyone can be, or should be, reasoned with. It's also important to remember that the increase in terrorist activity can be credited to the success of an attack on American soil, not the response to it.
Treetown makes the key observation!
We must eliminate our dependence on resources foreigners! Tree huggers won't let us explore and exploited vast resources that is right under our noses. We should have oil rigs up everywhere oil can be found along our great continental shelves. Recently it was discovered that an oil rig inspired a reef. Lots of under sea critters like the oil platforms. I think we'd be smart to convince environmentalists to re examine off shore drilling. I heard reports that China is tapping into our national reserve from Cuban waters. This would not be happening if we were allowed to suck the oil out of our oceanic borders. Simultaneously we should research and develop alternative energy sources.
Treetown hit the nail head but banning SUVs is not the answer. We should produce all the energy the world needs right here and let tham damn sons of a bitchen towel heads eat their sand and drink their oil.
B. Higgs you make good points but they might get belittled by your choice of language. You know I share your view that political correctness is boring! Still, must you refer to people as "towel heads" and "sons of bitches"? You know I would never censor you Bubba but I might admonish you a little for your own good from time to time...:)
I borrowed "sons of bitches" from you and I've heard you use the phrase "towel heads" before. Lighten up dang!
Israel totally underestimated the resolve of Hezbollah. And because they thought that they'd just be able to go in there and do whatever they wanted, they got their asses handed to them. Hezbollah is trying to free itself from Zionist oppression and because of Israel's actions, they have made Hezbollah even stronger than it has ever been before. There is no doubt that they will receive more funding, better weapons, and more recruits as a result of Israeli's failed occupation. It's funny how freedom fighters always find a way to overcome, just like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and our other forefathers did when fighting off a much better equipped British Empire. My hats off to Hezbollah for defeating Israel during this most recent conflict.
Did Israel get back their 2 kidnapped soldiers?----NO
Did Israel disarm Hezbollah?-----------------------NO
Did Israel succeed in removing the missile threat?-------NO
Did Olmerts approval rating increase?--------------------NO
(Actually it decreased from 78% to 40%)
ROFLMFAO
Class is now dismissed!
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